{"id":806,"date":"2014-09-14T21:31:25","date_gmt":"2014-09-14T21:31:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/drcrunch.wordpress.com\/?p=806"},"modified":"2014-09-14T21:31:25","modified_gmt":"2014-09-14T21:31:25","slug":"how-to-convince-a-surgeon-to-accept-a-rif-pain-referral","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/2014\/09\/14\/how-to-convince-a-surgeon-to-accept-a-rif-pain-referral\/","title":{"rendered":"How to convince a surgeon to accept a RIF pain referral"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I just love gyane on call. A 43 year old woman is brought to A&amp;E complaining of severe right iliac fossa pain for the past day. A pregnancy test is negative. The surgeons think it is a gyane problem. The gyane team think it is appendicitis.<\/p>\n<p>How can you avoid bouncing the patient between the two teams?<\/p>\n<p>In this\u00a0first post, I&#8217;ll go through the features of appendicits that a\u00a0gyane person\u00a0could\u00a0use to convince the surgeons to come take a look.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Appendicitis\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>There are two approaches. If the history is classic, you go to theatre. If it&#8217;s not but feel there&#8217;s enough to make you suspicious (and you have time), you might consider imaging.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Classic presentation<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The classic clinical presentation goes through five sequential stages over two to three days:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Vague umbilical colicky pain that does not bother the patient enough to attend\n<p><figure id=\"attachment_807\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-807\" style=\"width: 248px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-1-01.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"807\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/2014\/09\/14\/how-to-convince-a-surgeon-to-accept-a-rif-pain-referral\/stage-1-01\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-1-01.png?fit=248%2C286\" data-orig-size=\"248,286\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Stage 1-01\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Stage 1: Non specific colicky abdo pain&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-1-01.png?fit=248%2C286\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-1-01.png?fit=248%2C286\" class=\"size-full wp-image-807\" src=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-1-01.png?resize=248%2C286\" alt=\"Stage 1: Non specific colicky abdo pain\" width=\"248\" height=\"286\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-807\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Stage 1: Non specific colicky abdo pain<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/li>\n<li>Anorexia, nausea and gentle vomiting\n<p><figure id=\"attachment_808\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-808\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-2-01.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"808\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/2014\/09\/14\/how-to-convince-a-surgeon-to-accept-a-rif-pain-referral\/stage-2-01\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-2-01.png?fit=761%2C761\" data-orig-size=\"761,761\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Stage 2\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Stage 2: Loss of appetite, nausea and mild vomiting&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-2-01.png?fit=300%2C300\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-2-01.png?fit=700%2C700\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-808\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-2-01.png?resize=300%2C300\" alt=\"Stage 2: Loss of appetite, nausea and mild vomiting\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-2-01.png?w=761 761w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-2-01.png?resize=150%2C150 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-2-01.png?resize=300%2C300 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-2-01.png?resize=700%2C700 700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-808\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Stage 2: Loss of appetite, nausea and mild vomiting<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/li>\n<li>Constant right iliac fossa pain that does bother the patient enough to attend (perionitic i.e. worse on coughing\/moving, patient keeps still, guarding and rebound tenderness)\n<p><figure id=\"attachment_809\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-809\" style=\"width: 248px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-3.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"809\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/2014\/09\/14\/how-to-convince-a-surgeon-to-accept-a-rif-pain-referral\/stage-3\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-3.png?fit=248%2C286\" data-orig-size=\"248,286\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Stage 3\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Stage 3: Localisation of pain to RIF with peritonitis features&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-3.png?fit=248%2C286\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-3.png?fit=248%2C286\" class=\"size-full wp-image-809\" src=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-3.png?resize=248%2C286\" alt=\"Stage 3: Localisation of pain to RIF with peritonitis features\" width=\"248\" height=\"286\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-809\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Stage 3: Localisation of pain to RIF with peritonitis features<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/li>\n<li>Low grade fever (&lt;38)\n<p><figure id=\"attachment_810\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-810\" style=\"width: 103px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-4.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"810\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/2014\/09\/14\/how-to-convince-a-surgeon-to-accept-a-rif-pain-referral\/stage-4\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-4.png?fit=163%2C473\" data-orig-size=\"163,473\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Stage 4\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Stage 4: Low grade fever&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-4.png?fit=103%2C300\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-4.png?fit=163%2C473\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-810\" src=\"https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-4.png?resize=103%2C300\" alt=\"Stage 4: Low grade fever\" width=\"103\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-4.png?w=163 163w, https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-4.png?resize=103%2C300 103w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 103px) 100vw, 103px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-810\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Stage 4: Low grade fever<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/li>\n<li>Leucocytosis (12-15*10^9 cells per mm^3)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<figure id=\"attachment_811\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-811\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-5.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"811\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/2014\/09\/14\/how-to-convince-a-surgeon-to-accept-a-rif-pain-referral\/stage-5\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-5.png?fit=427%2C406\" data-orig-size=\"427,406\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Stage 5\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Stage 5: Leukocytosis &lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-5.png?fit=300%2C285\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-5.png?fit=427%2C406\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-811\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-5.png?resize=300%2C285\" alt=\"Stage 5: Leukocytosis \" width=\"300\" height=\"285\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-5.png?w=427 427w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/stage-5.png?resize=300%2C285 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-811\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Stage 5: Leukocytosis<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>This classic history occurs in less than 50% of patients.<\/p>\n<p>Of all the features, the two which really increase the chances of appendicitis are right iliac fossa pain and a migratory history.<\/p>\n<p>There are scoring systems such as the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mdcalc.com\/alvarado-score-for-acute-appendicitis\/\" target=\"_blank\">Alvadaro score<\/a>. However <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pubfacts.com\/detail\/24705731\/Impact-of-the-Alvarado-score-on-the-diagnosis-of-acute-appendicitis:-comparing-clinical-judgment-Alv\" target=\"_blank\">clinical judgement may be superior<\/a>, especially for more senior clinicians.<\/p>\n<p>Examination tips: Rebound tenderness can be a bit mean if the patient is clearly in pain. Ask the patient to cough and if pain is localised to the right iliac fossa, then this is a good sign.<\/p>\n<p>Is a PR exam helpful? <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pmc\/articles\/PMC1071072\/\" target=\"_blank\">Probably not<\/a>, especially in the presence of a convincing history and examination. (That said, tenderness on the right side on PR may lead to suspicion of a pelvic appendix so may be worth doing if there is an atypical presentation or if other diagnoses are being considered).<\/p>\n<p>Tests pretty much everyone gets: Urine dipstick (including pregnancy in females), FBC, CRP, U&amp;E.<\/p>\n<p>What to do: If you have a classic history and examination, go to theatre. Go directly to theatre. Do not pass radiology. Do not fill out a CT Abdo request.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Non classic presentation<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Who typically presents atypically?<\/p>\n<p>The young, the old and the pregnant. Important atypical presentations include acute confusional state (elderly) and right upper quadrant pain (pregnancy).<\/p>\n<p>What types of appendices present atypically?<\/p>\n<p>Retrocaecal appendix \u2013 more right loin pain, less right iliac fossa pain<\/p>\n<p>Pelvic appendix \u2013 like a UTI with urinary frequency, suprapubic tenderness and even pyuria\/haematuria.<\/p>\n<p>Tenderness on the right side in a PR (or PV) examination is supportive of a pelvic appendix.<\/p>\n<p>What to do: If you have a not quite classic history and examination, think through the differential. If the patient is not acutely unwell, it may be worth organising some imaging (often CT Abdo\/Pelvis or a TVUSS gynae scan) to support the diagnosis or look for other causes.<\/p>\n<p>Next week: How to convince a gynaecologist to accept RIF pain<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I just love gyane on call. A 43 year old woman is brought to A&amp;E complaining of severe right iliac fossa pain for the past day. A pregnancy test is&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"spay_email":"","footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[21,161,182,183],"class_list":["post-806","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-medical-education","tag-appendicitis","tag-pain","tag-rif","tag-right-iliac-fossa"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p9zRNY-d0","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/806","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=806"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/806\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=806"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=806"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/drcrunch.co.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=806"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}